Vlucht AMS-CLE via DTW

[Wanderlust]

Hi allemaal,

Normaal vlieg ik altijd rechtstreeks, maar nu aan het oriënteren voor een indirecte vlucht van Amsterdam naar Cleveland, OH in november met Delta. Graag advies over de overstaptijden.

Heen:

DEPARTS Sat, 17 Nov 10:30 AM from Schiphol (AMS)
ARRIVES Sat, 17 Nov 1:17 PM at Detroit Metro Arpt (DTW)

2h 43m Layover in Detroit, MI | You change planes in DTW

DEPARTS Sat, 17 Nov 4:00 PM from Detroit Metro Arpt (DTW)
ARRIVES Sat, 17 Nov 4:58 PM at Hopkins International (CLE)

Terug:

DEPARTS Sat, 01 Dec 1:48 PM from Hopkins International (CLE)
ARRIVES Sat, 01 Dec 2:51 PM at Detroit Metro Arpt (DTW)

3h 33m Layover in Detroit, MI | You change planes in DTW

DEPARTS Sat, 01 Dec 6:24 PM from Detroit Metro Arpt (DTW)
ARRIVES Arrives Next Day Sun, 02 Dec 08:00 AM at Schiphol (AMS)

NB: de vluchten tussen AMS en DTW in Delta Premium Select Class (dus ook Sky Priority) en DTW van/naar CLE in First Class

Is dit een beetje ok, indien (te) lang: is Detroit een beetje een leuk vliegveld om een paar uur door te brengen? Heb me twee maanden geleden op EWR ontzettend lopen vervelen (transfer was veel eerder dan de vlucht).

Mijn dank is zoals gewoonlijk groot!

[babarage]

huh premium select nieuw dinkie van delta? Zeker op de terugweg wel bagger overstap. 3.33 lijkt mij lang. Daarvan zit je vermoedelijk minstens 2,5 uur duimen te draaien. Als je op de terug weg voor delta comfort kiest heb je een overstap van een uur. Maar geen idee of premium select het het waard is m daar op te wachten.

[vinceG]

DTW is mijn nieuwe favoriete vliegveld!
Mijn laatste vlucht vorige maand via DTW waren zowel op de heen- als de terugweg de overstaptijd erg krap (minder dan 60 min) en beide keren met gemak gehaald. De APC's gaan heel snel en moest eigenlijk het langste wachten op mijn koffers.

Heb ook langere overstaptijden gehad en heb me prima vermaakt op dit ruime en lichte vliegveld. Genoeg leuke plekjes om te zitten. Leuke restaurants en bars en groot genoeg om te kunnen wandelen.
Er rijd ook een shuttle die je van de ene kant naar de andere kant kan transporteren mocht je toevallig korte overstap hebben en aankomt bij de ene kant en vertrekt vanaf de andere. (op terugweg natuurlijk)

[roelb]

Beide connecties zijn veel langer dan noodzakelijk. Op de heenweg heb je aan ca 90 minuten meer dan genoeg, op de terugweg heb je alleen de tijd nodig om naar je nieuwe gate te lopen.

Helaas biedt premium select geen toegang tot de Sky club (lounge van Delta). Maar mocht je een Amex platinum (geen Flying blue!) hebben dan kun je wel kostenloos de Sky club in (gasten zonder eigen kaart $29) en kun je die drie uur op de terugweg in ieder geval daar doorbrengen. Voor $59 per persoon kun je ook een single-visit pass kopen.

Ben wel benieuwd wat je er van vindt! Heb nog niet in die nieuwe A350 gezeten, maar wel een beetje de prijzen gevolgd voor Premium Select en ik vind het vaak erg duur en het verschil met restricted Delta One fares te klein. Wat betaal je voor deze route? Edit: ik zie het al, EUR 1028, dat valt best wel mee.. Ben benieuwd naar je ervaringen!

[Wanderlust]

Dank allemaal!! Hmmmm dus toch aan de lange kant, daar was ik al bang voor...

@roelb ja, Premium Select komt nu uit op 2058 voor twee personen, ook gekeken naar Comfort+ zoals voorgesteld door babarage met in beide richtingen zo'n anderhalf uur overstaptijd. Dan zit je op 1953,50 voor 2 p, maar exclusief de 2e koffer die er bij Premium Select al wel bij inbegrepen zit. Als je dat erbij optelt (I know, luxeprobleem ) kom je uit op 270 USD (x 2) erbij, totaal dus zo'n 440 eu duurder (voor 2 personen) dan PS... Al zou je dat alleen doen voor de terugweg, alsnog 220 euro. Lastig.

Overigens wordt dit dan de eerste keer met Delta, voorheen altijd KLM en laatste keer United. Kijk ernaar uit, eerst maar even de DV uitslag afwachten en daarna boeken (want you never know...) Maar ik ben benieuwd!

[roelb]

Premium select is wel echt iets anders dan economy comfort! Ik heb de afgelopen maanden regelmatig prijzen van zo'n 1500 euro retour gezien, terwijl dan delta one (met restricties) rond de 2000 euro was. Dan is de keuze lastiger. Maar in dit geval heb je volgens een goede deal. Retour CLE is sowieso niet een route met veel concurrentie en dus niet met hele lage prijzen.

En het voordeel is dat je op de domestic vluchten in First zit, voorin dus, in de "business class" cabin.

[Wanderlust]

Oké, het gaat hem worden, alleen zit ik met een probleem. Ben nog even afhankelijk van een aantal kleine zaken voor ik kan gaan boeken maar zie nu dat de prijs voor 2 personen is gestegen van 2063 naar 2313. Zou deze nog omlaag gaan? Mijn instinct zegt van wel, maar misschien heeft iemand meer ervaring/kennis

[roelb]

Ik denk het niet. Er is geen onderscheid in fare classes in premium select (het is altijd W en F in domestic), dus er zal geen inventory bijkomen. Ik denk simpelweg dat de uiterste issue date van de vorige fare rule afgelopen is. Het is ook verstandig om altijd de fare rules te lezen als je een tarief ziet waar je interesse in hebt maar nog niet direct kunt boeken. Dan weet je precies waar je aan toe bent qua uiterste boekingsdatum en andere restricties.

[Wanderlust]

Hmmm balen, toen ik hem begon te 'volgen' bij Google Flights was-ie 2308 (31 dagen geleden), zakte toen naar 2059, bleef daar steady op staan en nu weer 2313 sinds twee dagen.

[roelb]

En wat is de fare base en wat staat er in over de uiterste issue date voor tickets op basis van die fare base?

Kun jij op delta.com zien door op de link "changeable/non-refundable" te klikken en dan "Full fare rules".

[Wanderlust]

Misschien stom, maar ik kom er niet helemaal uit. Deze zee aan informatie (dit is even alleen voor de heenreis) als ik klik op 'full fare rules':

AMS to CLEFARE CODE - AL3LSNL
VOLUNTARY CHANGES
IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF DL INTERNATIONAL FARES CHARGE EUR 200.00 FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TKTD FARE PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT/FARE BREAKS 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. DL FARES ARE USED 4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL WR FARE CLASS IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARES ARE USED 5. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT 6. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARES ARE USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES - ONLY BOOKING CODE CHANGES PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. SAME TRAVEL DATES 3. DL FARES ARE USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. OR - AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF DL INTERNATIONAL FARES CHARGE EUR 200.00 FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TKTD FARE PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT/FARE BREAKS 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 4. DL FARES ARE USED 5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL WR FARE CLASS IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARES ARE USED 5. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT 6. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING AMT WILL APPLY TO NEW TKT REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF DL INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE ER IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE EU IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE BR IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. DL FARE TYPE BU IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE FR IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE FU IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE WU IS USED 4. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE ER IS USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE EU IS USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE BR IS USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE BU IS USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE FR IS USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE FU IS USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 3. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE WU IS USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. OR - AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF DL INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE ER IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE EU IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE BR IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE BU IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE FR IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE FU IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT 4. AF/DL/KL FARE TYPE WU IS USED 5. WHEN SAME FARE USED - ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL - OTHERWISE ALL PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING AMT WILL APPLY TO NEW TKT REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.

SEASONALITY
FROM EUROPE - PERMITTED 31DEC THROUGH 20APR OR 29OCT THROUGH 13DEC FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. TO EUROPE - PERMITTED 09JAN THROUGH 20APR OR 30OCT THROUGH 31DEC FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

FLIGHT APPLICATION
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN EUROPE AND AREA 2 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY AP ANY OK FLIGHT OPERATED BY QS. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY KL FLIGHT OPERATED BY EI. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY DL FLIGHT ANY AF FLIGHT ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY AZ ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY AP ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY CT ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY VE ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY XM ANY KL FLIGHT ANY A5 FLIGHT ANY HA FLIGHT.

ADVANCE RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING
RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS AND TICKETING ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 45 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. NOTE - WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 101 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 94 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. OR - WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 7 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER. . FAREQUOTE GENERATES A LAST TICKETING DATE WHICH MAY DIFFER FROM THE DATE MENTIONED IN THE PNR. THE MOST RESTRICTIVE DATE PREVAILS.

MINIMUM STAY
TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 6 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

MAXIMUM STAY
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

STOPOVERS
1 STOPOVER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN AMS/PAR/MIL/ROM AT EUR 75.00 EACH. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. AND - 1 STOPOVER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN THE UNITED STATES/CANADA/MEXICO AT EUR 300.00 EACH. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.

TRANSFERS
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE FREE BETWEEN DL AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN THE UNITED STATES IN EACH DIRECTION FREE BETWEEN AF AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN THE UNITED STATES IN EACH DIRECTION FREE BETWEEN KL AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN THE UNITED STATES IN EACH DIRECTION FREE BETWEEN AZ AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN THE UNITED STATES IN EACH DIRECTION. AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE FREE BETWEEN DL AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION FREE BETWEEN AF AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION FREE BETWEEN KL AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION FREE BETWEEN AZ AND AF/AZ/DL/KL IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION FREE BETWEEN A5 AND DL IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION. AND - 1 TRANSFER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE FREE BETWEEN AF/AZ/DL/KL AND A5/AF IN FRANCE IN EACH DIRECTION. AND - 1 TRANSFER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE INTERLINE INCLUDING THE PRIMARY CARRIER FREE IN HAWAII IN EACH DIRECTION FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

COMBINABILITY
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS. A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM DOUBLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS. A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. THE MILEAGE FOR AN INTERNATIONAL OPEN SEGMENT IS EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN THE MILEAGE FOR THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. THERE IS NO MILEAGE RESTRICTION ON AN OPEN SEGMENT WITHIN ONE COUNTRY. OPEN JAWS NOTE - FOR NORMAL FARES THE MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN THE MILEAGE OF THE OUTBOUND SEGMENT PROVIDED - THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE -BETWEEN AREA 1 AND FRENCH POLYNESIA. -WITHIN AREA 1 OR WITHIN FRENCH POLYNESIA. -WITHIN ANY ONE COUNTRY IN EUROPE. COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/DL/ AZ BETWEEN EUROPE/AREA 1 OR FOR CARRIER KL/AF/DL/AZ BETWEEN EUROPE/FRENCH POLYNESIA IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF APFRRPV - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA ATLANTIC/PACIFIC ATDLR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 FBRA12 - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA FBRA23P - BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 FBRIN - US/CA-AREA 1/AREA2/AREA 3 EXCLUDING US TERRITORIES FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3 IPRA - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAP - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA ATLANTIC/PACIFIC IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC SAR2RPV - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC TAPVCR - BETWEEN CA/US-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC TAPVR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2. ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/DL/AZ BETWEEN EUROPE/AREA 1 OR FOR CARRIER KL/AF/DL/AZ BETWEEN EUROPE/FRENCH POLYNESIA IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF APFRRPV - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA ATLANTIC/PACIFIC ATDLR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 FBRA12 - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA FBRA23P - BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 FBRIN - US/CA-AREA 1/AREA2/AREA 3 EXCLUDING US TERRITORIES FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3 IPRA - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAP - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA ATLANTIC/PACIFIC IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC SAR2RPV - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC TAPVCR - BETWEEN CA/US-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC TAPVR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.

SURCHARGES
IF INFANT 0-1 WITHOUT A SEAT. THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR TRAVEL PER DIRECTION. THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR AF. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR AM. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR AZ. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR DJ. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR KE. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR KL. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR KQ. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR ME. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR VN. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR OA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR OK. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR TN. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR VA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR PS. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR VS. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR 9U. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON DL OR 9W. THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR TRAVEL PER DIRECTION. NOTE - YR FEE MAY APPLY ORIGINATING AREA 2 - A SURCHARGE OF USD 320.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL.

SALES RESTRICTIONS
TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/CUBA/ZIMBABWE/ CAMEROON/CHAD/CONGO (BRAZZAVILLE)/GABON. TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.

PENALTIES
CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME CHARGE EUR 200.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - IF EXCHANGING A WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET BEFORE DEPARTURE OF OUTBOUND FLIGHT -VALUE OF TICKET LESS THE CHANGE FEE MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS PURCHASE OF NEW TICKET PRICED AT CURRENT FARES UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS- -IF SAME BOOKING CLASS/SAME RULE - NEW FARE MAY BE LOWER / EQUAL / HIGHER THAN ORIGINAL TICKET A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF NEW FARE B. RESERVATION FOR NEW ITINERARY MUST BE MADE AND TICKETS ISSUED NO LATER THAN 1YEAR FROM ISSUE DATE OF TICKET BEING EXCHANGED. C. IF RESULT IS REFUND - REFUND WILL BE IN THE FORM OF NON-REFUNDABLE VOUCHER IF RESULT IS HIGHER- MUST ADD COLLECT DIFFERENCE AT TIME OF REISSUE -IF DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS- NEW FARE MAY BE EQUAL / HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS FARE AND- A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF NEW FARE BEING APPLIED B. RESERVATION FOR NEW ITINERARY MUST BE MADE AND TICKETS ISSUED NO LATER THAN 1YEAR FROM ISSUE DATE OF TICKET BEING EXCHANGED. .--- IF EXCHANGING WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET AFTER DEPARTURE OF ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED OUTBOUND FLIGHT- VALUE OF TICKET LESS CHANGE FEE MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS PURCHASE OF EQUAL / HIGHER FARE UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS- A. RESERVATION FOR NEW ITINERARY MUST BE MADE AND TICKETS ISSUED NO LATER THAN 1YEAR FROM ISSUE DATE OF TICKET BEING EXCHANGED. B. ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FARE REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE AND MUST BE NOTED IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX. C. IF RESULT IS HIGHER- MUST ADD COLLECT DIFFERENCE AT TIME OF REISSUE .--- WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A NONREFUNDABLE FARE- CANCELLATION RULES APPLY BY FARE COMPONENT. FOLLOWING PROVISIONS WILL APPLY- A. AMOUNT PAID ON THE REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT WILL BE REFUNDED UPON PAYMENT OF PENALTY AMOUNT IF APPLICABLE. B. AMOUNT PAID ON NONREFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED. .--- DEATH WAIVER MUST BE SUBSTANTIATED BY A VALID MEDICAL/DEATH CERTIFICATE. .--- CANCELLATION FEE DOES NOT APPLY TO INFANTS UNDER 2YEARS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. .--- LOST TICKET APPLICATION FEE FOR PAPER TICKETS IS USD100.00/CAD100.00 CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE EUR 200.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. NOTE - ITINERARIES MAY BE REBOOKED UP TO ONE YEAR FROM ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE DATE PROVIDED THE PASSENGER CANCELS THE TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATION PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME. TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED AT TIME THE RESERVATION IS UPDATED. IF THE TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATION IS NOT CANCELLED PRIOR TO TIKETED FLIGHT DEPARTURE THE CHANGE IS NOT PERMITTED AND THE TICKET HAS NO VLAUE. .-- SEE / CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNT IN FARE RULE TO DETERMINE IF APPLICABLE- NO CHANGE FEE IF UNDER 2YEARS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. .--- A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / DATE/ FLIGHT MODIFICATION. WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS BEING CHANGED THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL APPLY. .--- TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED WHEN ANY VOLUNTARY CHANGE IS MADE. CHANGE FEE PLUS ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED AT TIME OF CHANGE OR CHANGE WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. .--- WHEN CHANGE OCCURS ON THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT OF THE JOURNEY OR ANY OTHER FARE COMPONENT OF THE JOURNEY FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED APPLYING FARES IN EFFECT ON DATE OF REISSUE AND WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS- -IF SAME BOOKING CLASS/SAME RULE- NEW FARE MAY BE LOWER / EQUAL / HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS FARE AND- A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B. OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED. -IF DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS- NEW FARE MAY BE EQUAL / HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS FARE AND- A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B. OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED. .--- IF CHANGE DOES NOT OCCUR ON THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT OF THE JOURNEY NEW FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED USING FARES IN EFFECT ON PREVIOUS TICKET ISSUE DATE UNDER FOLLOWING CONDITIONS- -IF SAME BOOKING CLASS/SAME RULE- NEW FARE MAY BE LOWER / EQUAL / HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS FARE- A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B. OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED. -IF DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS- NEW FARE MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS FARE- A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B. OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED. .--- TICKET DOWNGRADE IF A DECREASE IN FARE OCCURS AFTER A TICKET IS PURCHASED AND PRIOR TO TRAVEL OR A NEW FARE FOR WHICH THE PASSENGER QUALIFIES BECOMES EFFECTIVE THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES LESS THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE RETURNED IN THE FORM OF NON-REFUNDABLE VOUCHER PROVIDED- A. NO CHANGE TO DATE /TIME /ORIGIN OR DESTINATION B. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF NEW FARE INCLUDING ADVANCE PURCHASE/MIN STAY/ETC. AFTER DEPARTURE CHARGE EUR 200.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. NOTE - SEE / CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNT IN FARE RULE TO DETERMINE IF APPLICABLE- NO CHANGE FEE IF UNDER 2YEARS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. .--- TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED WHEN ANY VOLUNTARY CHANGE IS MADE. CHANGE FEE PLUS ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED AT TIME OF CHANGE OR CHANGE WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. .--- NEW FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED USING FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKET ISSUE DATE AND UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS- -IF SAME BOOKING CLASS/SAME RULE- NEW FARE MAY BE LOWER / EQUAL / HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS FARE AND- A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B. OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED. - IF DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS- NEW FARE MAY BE EQUAL / HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS FARE AND- A. MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B. OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED.

HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT(HIPS)/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS
THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR CONNECTIONS. AND - THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.

TICKET ENDORSEMENTS
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NON ENDO/ - AND - FARE RSTR COULD APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

CHILDREN DISCOUNTS
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH25. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH25. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER. NOTE - 1 ADULT PASSENGER AGED AT LEAST 18 YEARS MAY BE ACCOMPANIED BY A MAXIMUM OF 2 INFANTS OF WHO BOTH CAN BE BOOKED AS INFANT OCCUPYING A SEAT. OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN90. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER. NOTE - 1 ADULT PASSENGER AGED AT LEAST 18 YEARS MAY BE ACCOMPANIED BY A MAXIMUM OF 2 INFANTS OF WHO 1 HAVE TO BE BOOKED AS INFANT OCCUPYING A SEAT ------------------------------------------------- THE AGE LIMITS REFERRED TO IN THIS RULE SHALL BE THOSE IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF COMMENCEMENT OF TRAVEL. EXCEPTION - INFANTS WHO REACH THEIR 2ND BIRTHDAY DURING THEIR TRAVEL WILL BE REQUIRED TO OCCUPY A SEAT ON THE OUTBOUND AND INBOUND FLIGHT. THE CHILD FARE NEEDS TO BE APPLIED FOR THE WHOLE JOURNEY OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT. NOTE - UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE UNDER ANY CONDITIONS. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN AGES 5 THROUGH 7 MAY TRAVEL ON NON-STOP FLIGHTS ONLY AND MAY NOT CONNECT TO OTHER AIRLINES. CHILDREN AGES 8 THROUGH 14 MAY TRAVEL UNACCOMPANIED ON DELTAS NON-STOP OR CONNECTING FLIGHTS - BUT MAY NOT CONNECT TO OTHER AIRLINES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DELTA CONNECTION/KLM/AIR FRANCE.

TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS
NOTE - DISCOUNTS APPLY

APPLICATION
DELTA AIR LINES STANDARD RULE - SEMI FLEXIBLE REFUNDABLE FARES APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES/CANADA/MEXICO AND AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT OTHER CONDITIONS THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET. ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS- THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET / OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / .

[Wanderlust]

Via Expedia:

Reisoverzicht
Reisoverzicht
Opmerking terugreis: aankomst op 02-12-2018
Reiziger 1: volwassene € 1.031,13Uit- of samenvouwen
Vlucht € 690,00
Belastingen & toeslagen € 341,13
Reiziger 2: volwassene € 1.031,13Uit- of samenvouwen
Vlucht € 690,00
Belastingen & toeslagen € 341,13
Boekingskosten€ 6,00
Reistotaal: € 2.068,26

[roelb]

De belangrijkste categorien zijn "Sales restrictions" en de "Seasonality".

Bij sales restrictions zie je geen restricties staan voor wat betreft de datum waarop het ticket uiterlijk verkocht mag worden. Deze fare rule heeft dus geen "einddatum".

Wel zie je dat hij maar op specifieke dagen geldig is:

SEASONALITY
FROM EUROPE - PERMITTED 31DEC THROUGH 20APR OR 29OCT THROUGH 13DEC FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. TO EUROPE - PERMITTED 09JAN THROUGH 20APR OR 30OCT THROUGH 31DEC FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

Boek je dus voor een andere datum dan de genoemde dan krijg je te maken met een andere fare rule en dus mogelijk andere tarieven. Maar jij zit ergens in november, dus je valt ruim binnen het 30/10-31/12 tijdvak.

Ook belangrijk:

ADVANCE RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING
RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS AND TICKETING ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 45 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.

Dus wacht niet langer dan 45 dagen voor vertrek. Daarna zul je niet meer onder deze fare rule kunnen boeken. De fare rule die boekingen toe laat minder dan 45 dagen vooraf zal vermoedelijk hogere tarieven kennen. Eventueel kun je met tools zoals expertflyer gaan kijken welke fare rule dat dan is en wat daar in staat. Ook kun je, als je dit via een travel agent boekt, even vragen of zij kunnen kijken. Ze kunnen je dan zelfs vertellen wat het tarief zal zijn als je onder die andere fare rule boekt. Je vertrekdatum was 17/11. Dus 45 dagen daarvan betekent dat je tot 2 oktober de tijd hebt.

[roelb]

Via Expedia:
...
Reistotaal: € 2.068,26

Is dat dezelfde route? Ik zie hem ook voor EUR 1156.13 pp.

Overigens zie ik wel wat het verschil is. Ik dacht dat er maar een fare code was voor PE bij Delta, maar dat zijn er inmidels twee. Zowel A als G. En A is duurder dan G. Er is op de heenvlucht simpelweg geen availability meer in G, en daardoor ga je door naar A, wat 135 euro toevoegt aan de prijs. Je zou kunnen zoeken naar een vlucht waar nog wel G op beschikbaar is (andere dag of route).

Amsterdam (AMS) to Detroit (DTW) — Sat, Nov 17
Delta 135
Dep: 10:30 am
Arr: 1:17 pm
8h 47m
Airbus A350
Premium economy (A)
Lunch
Layover in DTW
2h 43m

Detroit (DTW) to Cleveland (CLE) — Sat, Nov 17
Delta 5044
Dep: 4:00 pm
Arr: 4:58 pm
0h 58m
Canadair RJ 900
First (A)
OPERATED BY ENDEAVOR AIR DBA DELTA CONNECTION

Cleveland (CLE) to Detroit (DTW) — Sat, Dec 1
Delta 6238
Dep: 1:48 pm
Arr: 2:51 pm
1h 3m
Canadair RJ 900
First (G)
OPERATED BY GOJET AIRLINES DBA DELTA CONNECTION
Layover in DTW
3h 33m

Detroit (DTW) to Amsterdam (AMS) — Sat, Dec 1
Delta 134
Dep: 6:24 pm
Arr: 8:00 am
7h 36m
Airbus A350
Premium economy (G)

Cost per passenger (including taxes & fees)
€1,156.13
Total cost for 1 passenger
€1,156.13


Fare 1: Carrier DL AL3LSNL AMS to CLE (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code A
Covers AMS-DTW (Premium economy), DTW-CLE (First)
€470.00
Fare 2: Carrier DL GL3LSNL CLE to AMS (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code G
Covers CLE-DTW (First), DTW-AMS (Premium economy)
€345.00
US September 11th Security Fee (AY)
€9.56
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
€5.98
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
€4.82
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
€3.38
Netherlands Passenger Service Charge (RN)
€12.43
Netherlands Security Service Charge (CJ)
€10.88
DL YR surcharge (YR)
€259.00
US International Arrival Tax (US)
€31.24
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF)
€3.84
Subtotal per passenger
€1,156.13
Number of passengers
x1
Subtotal For 1 adult
€1,156.13

[roelb]

Grappig. Als ik de heenreis als twee losse segmenten prijs dan is er plots wel G beschikbaar op de DL5044:

https://matrix.itasoftware.com/#view-de ... rsVXGNK001

Ik vraag me alleen af of dit boekbaar is. Ik krijg het niet samengesteld. Wellicht dat het bij Expedia of een andere OTA uiteindelijk ook mis gaat.

Maar goed, kort gezegd loop je dus wel het risico dat op de terugweg er op enig moment ook geen stoelen meer in G beschikbaar zijn en je doorvalt naar A. Dan wordt ook de terugweg nog EUR 135 duurder. Aan de andere kant is er ook de kans dat er stoelen in G worden toegevoegd op de heenreis en het weer EUR 135 goedkoper wordt.

[Wanderlust]

Dankzij jouw expertise contact opgenomen met Delta via Twitter:

*In my search your requested flts are coming up as 'G' class. *AAB

*The total cost including all taxes and carrier imposed fees for this itinerary is $1217.91. This is a quote and fare are subject to change at any time. *AAB

Dwz: 2090 EUR ongeveer

Toch een verschil van 200+ EUR

Ik ben benieuwd!!

[roelb]

Ik zou zeggen: snel boeken! Je kunt DL altijd bellen voor een boeking ipv het online doen, daar rekenen ze niets extra voor. Wel even naar Atlanta bellen (het amerikaanse 0800 nummer), niet naar het 020 nummer in Nederland. In dat laatste geval kom je namelijk bij KLM uit. Kan ook goed gaan hoor, maar het is wel weer een extra stap er tussen en zij kunnen een stuk minder dan een DL medewerker.

Als ik hem iig in het systeem van Delta probeer samen te stellen krijg ik een foutmelding als ik G probeer voor beide legs in dat segment op de heenweg. In A op de heenweg gaat het wel goed. Het is ook een melding die ik nog nooit heb gezien op delta.com.

De directe boekingslink - die dus niet werkt - is http://www.delta.com/air-shopping/price ... rID=Google

[Trientje]

In de GDS krijg ik toch perfect de prijs van 1031 EUR per persoon uit het systeem hoor. Geen idee waarom de website van Delta dit niet weergeeft.
Waarschijnlijk proberen ze wat "met je voeten te rammelen"...

[Wanderlust]

Dank aan beiden! Het was eergisteren even niet gelukt door wat andere dingen die tussendoor kwamen, maar ik ben as we speak bezig met het boeken. Weliswaar via Delta op Twitter, want zij bieden nu:

Per persoon: $1212.11
Totaal: $2424.22

Dus zo'n 2086 euro. Weer n paar dollar goedkoper dan maandag en alsnog een flink verschil met de website van Delta (2312 euro op moment van schrijven). Heel raar, maar gelukkig lijkt het op deze manier prima opgelost. Kleine moeite om zoiets via social media te vragen en het scheelt toch ruim 200 euro.

[roelb]

En niet vergeten om je mijlen en MQM's te crediten! Skymiles levert met vluchten van en naar de US al snel meer op dan Flying Blue, maar goed, als je als FB spaart is dat natuurlijk het logische programma om naar te crediten.